Thursday, July 21, 2022

Portland-Vancouver Interstate 5 Bridge and some other things

 https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/opinion/opinion-putting-interstate-bridge-misconceptions-to-rest

This is a river crossing that should have been upgraded decades ago. Montreal also had to wait several decades to get their new and improved bridge.

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/opinion/opinion-public-transit-buses-and-vans-superior-to-costly-light-rail-for-i-5-bridge-replacement

https://www.interstatebridge.org , https://www.interstatebridge.org/about

At least this has been a 6 lane crossing for several decades. In Vancouver, Canada, or V-BC, everything is still funneled into an inadequate 3 lane Lion Bridge for the past several decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeNjKZExfE , https://www.youtube.com/c/IBRProgram/videos

https://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/2022/07/interstate-bridge-replacement-proposal-hits-major-milestone-with-state-local-endorsements.html

https://www.cityofvancouver.us/cmo/page/interstate-bridge-replacement-program It would be total chaos if Portland and Vancouver, WA were forced to just have a 3 lane crossing like V,BC still has. So while the I-5 Bridge that's a few miles north of downtown Portland has 6 lanes, the Lion Bridge north of downtown Vancouver, BC is only 3 lanes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Bridge#First_bridge At least when the first bridge opened, it was set up for trams or streetcars, as well as being a highway bridge. Unfortunately, the rail mode of the bridge only went from 1917 to 1940. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Bridge#Upgrades Then by the 1950s, there was no reason to put in a parallel rail section next to the new bridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Bridge#Interstate_Bridge_Replacement_Program_(2019-present) Fortunately, the new Portland & Vancouver, USA bridge, will have a passenger rail component to it. This has already worked out very well on the I-90 Bridge in Seattle & for a new bridge in Montreal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_Gate_Bridge It doesn't matter if it was in the 1930s or in the 2030s, there just was no vision to have a commuter rail component on the LG bridge. With only 3 lanes, it's impossible to have a couple of dedicated bus lanes on it. Of course, no one allowed for the provision of a future extra deck for trams or trains. That's just the Vancouver & BC  (V-BC) shortsighted way.  

For anyone that's from the Ile_Bizard part of Montreal, they will be shocked to see such a narrow bridge in V-BC.
https://www.google.com/maps/@ Ile Bizard has a 3 lane bridge that wasn't designed to have 2 levels, or become twinned. That's OK, because Ile Bizard is a backwater part of Montreal.

However, one might think that Vancouver isn't suppose to be some provincial backwater. Yet, a multi-generational power structure or mindset & its thwarting agenda, prevents Vancouver, BC from having proper big city infrastructure. Something that is commonplace in the scenic cities of Sydney, Australia, San_Francisco & Seattle. Even scenic Auckland, NZ hasn't been Vancouverized.

While the 8 lane Auckland_Harbour_Bridge is legal for that city, any 8 lane wide harbor bridge or inlet crossing in V-BC is illegal. The inept planning in Greater Vancouver hasn't even allowed for a proper network of bus & bike bridges.

Unfortunately, the AHB didn't get to be as grand as the SHB. There at least should have been a provision in the design to potentially become as wide or even wider that the SHB
Fortunately, Auckland & Sydney didnt get stuck with something like the barebones, 3 lane LGB

https://www.google.com/maps/@ LG Bridge deck with only 3 lanes. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vancouver,+BC/@ Some people actually have living rooms & swimming pools wider than that little bridge.

Eventually, Portland will get a nice new highway bridge with a provision for rail transit, similar to what Montreal has. https://www.samueldechamplainbridge.ca/pedestrians-and-cyclists

Montreal's New Champlain Bridge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiX8OT1iwZI 8 lanes & 2 train tracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2TtjRLKyAo Montreal had to finally replace its old 6 lane bridge with a nice new crossing. https://www.youtube.com/c/NouveauChamplain/videos

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montreal,+QC/@

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champlain_Bridge_(Montreal,_2019-present) This was possible for Montreal, because that city doesn't have a multi-generational thwarting power structure or Gordian_Knot like laws to prevent it. Where as VBC does have such thwarting laws that goes right back to the early decades of the city. 

https://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/2019/09/oregon-and-washington-well-start-building-a-new-interstate-bridge-by-2025.html Inspite of it being a very slowgoing process, Portland & Vancouver, WA will get their version of what Montreal already has. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_River_Crossing#Interstate_Bridge_Replacement_Program

Meanwhile, Vancouver, BC will still be stuck with a 3 lane Lion bridge that has no provision for bus lanes & especially no rail transit. If it could have had at least 4 lanes like the St._Johns_Bridge in Portland, then it would have been easier to have a bus & HOV lane each way. https://historicbridges.org/bridges/browser/?bridgebrowser=oregon/stjohnsbridge Any major crossing in an urban area should have at least 4, if not 6 or 8 lanes. Of course some cities even have larger capacity crossings.

https://forbiddenvancouver.ca/blog/lions-gate-bridge-lions-guard There was a time in BC that if you could have 2 waggon roads next to each other, that was a big deal. https://www.insidevancouver.ca/2012/06/12/inside-vancouvers-hidden-past-the-secret-history-of-the-lions-gate-bridge So instead of the Lion Bridge having 6 lanes or at least 4, it was to only have 2 (waggon) lanes. Fortunately, there was just enough extra space to eventually fit in a 3rd lane. However, with no provision for an extra deck, any bus & HOV lanes or rail transit there, just isn't possible. https://placesthatmatter.ca/location/lions-gate-bridge

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lions-gate-bridge-close-overnight By now, most real cities would have twinned that crossing, or bypassed it with a 6 to 8 lane tunnel. But this is backwater BC, where you are lucky to even have just a few waggon roads at key crossing points. 

https://structurae.net/en/structures/lions-gate-bridge Of course even when the bridge was rebuilt, no additional deck for trains or buses was put in. Most likely, the towers & cables would have had to be substantially reinforced to support an extra deck, so for the sake of aesthetics, the bridge retained its overall slim appearance as a 3 lane choke point or bottle neck.

Any future Inlet rail transit lines will likely be situated much closer towards the Iron Bridge. 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/north-shore-rapid-transit-bus-rapid-transit-park-royal-metrotown-brt

It's as if a monstrous force has been growing since BC colonial times. This force is like a multigenerational thwarting mindset, generated by all the various interest groups for well over a century. Fortunately, this thwarting collective force hasn't been able to thwart Oregon, Washington State and Alberta to the same extent. All one has to do is look at how much larger the infrastructure is allowed in many other places.

When done correctly, bridges and tunnels can be efficient high volume conduits. Especially by providing various modes of transportation.


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